Ammunition for Karl
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Shell in RA002 Panzerkampfwagen IV Munitionstraeger fuer Karlgeraet
The Karl resin kits from CMK do NOT have any shell at all.
Instead,
their Munitionspanzer kit has 4
"schwere Betongranate" shells.
As shown in the photo,
a shell is composed of two parts.
Bottom patterns and details are reproduced.
| The body of the shell is quite smooth, and you may want to add some details, such as pressure bands. The length of the shell appears to be short by 3mm; this can be corrected very easily by extending the body between the two parts. |
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3575 60cm grenade for Karl mortar |
A tuned aluminum shell.
According to the note of the product,
it is a "leichte Betongranate".
A brass cartridge is also included.
It seems that New Connection Models sold "schwere Betongranate"
with the same product number in the past
(its photo can be seen
here).
They somehow changed their mind?
It appears that the length of the shell is 2mm shorter than the real thing. In contrast, the cartridge looks too long. There is no detail on the bottom surface of the shell. But, this shouldn't be regarded as a big problem, as the detail of the bottom of "leichte Betongranate" is not well known, except that there is narrow rim around the bottom as shown in the figure near the top of this page. |
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schwere Betongranate 6179 60cm Moerser "Karl" Geraet 040 |
A turned alminum "schwere Betongranate" shell was included in the first batch of
Dragon's 60cm Karl kit (6179).
It was considered to be a "bonus",
but
the second issue, or "limited edition", of 60cm Karl kit (6179X)
still has this alminum shell.
I wonder if Dragon will make this a parmanent feature of this kit.
The included shell lacks characteristic bottom pattern and details, such as 8 holes, around the bottom. The top of the shell looks too pointed when compared with wartime photos. We may sand down the shell to form a more rounded tip. But, if we do it too much, we would end up with a somewhat shortened shell... The "limited edition" kit (6179X) has one injection plastic shell in addition to this alminum shell. It is not surprising that the shapes of both shell parts closely match each other. I don't understand why Dragon dicided to put two shells of the same type in the kit. They could have supplied two different types of shells, say schwere Betongranate and leichte Betongranate... |
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This shell is the one included in
Dragon's 54cm Karl kit (6181).
It is composed of two parts.
I don't know how accurate this is,
as there doesn't seem to exist a reference
which clearly shows the shape and details of 54cm shells.
I wonder if Dragon investigated
existing 54cm shells.
Its bottom has no details. As the original the 54cm "leichte Sprenggranate" shell appears to have flat bottom, and the 54cm "leichte Betongranate" shell has resess, Dragon's shell may be considered as the leichte Betongranate shell (See this photo in Hillersleben Proving Ground's site). The length of the kit shell looks too long, as far as I compare this shell with photos showing Geraet 041 and 54cm shells.
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540mm Shell 6181 54cm Moerser "Loki" Geraet 041 |
The page "Karl-Gereat 60cm Heavy Mortar shell" in his Nuts'n'Bits site shows detailed description of the production process.
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Karl-Gerat schwere Betongranate 040 (60cm) |
The shell in the left photo is the resin-cast reproduction of the metal original.
Mr. Daniel Munoz will kindly sell resin shells.
Refer to the page
"Karl shell for sale",
in his site for details.
The shell consists of three parts which are beautifully casted without blemishes. There are more details around the bottom of the shell than the shells from other manufacturers. Not only round holes around the bottom, but also rectangular recesses are molded. It appears that the parts are slightly shrunken (less than 0.5mm in length and diameter) because of resin material, than the metal original parts published in the above web page. It is negligible difference and shouldn't be noticeable. Until recently, this excellent resin shell was only available from the Nuts'n'Bits site, or from several retail shops in the North America. Fortunately Tank Workshop decided to distribute the shell, thus, is now more accessible than before. |
| Side Note: He also made a shell for the 28cm K5(E) railway gun. It is also beautifully crafted and has lots of details. Refer to his "K5/Leopold 28cm Gr 35 Shell" page for more information. |
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35774 Betongranate Karl 35775 Betongranate Karl These are 60cm "schwere Betongranate" shells. It is rather confusing that these two packages bear exactly the same product name. The shell 35774 is shaped as a single piece. The shell 35775 consists of two parts; a hollow ballistic cap is turned as a separate part. While it is an admirable idea to provide a separate cap, the result is not very convincing. The cap looks too thick, and the tip of the main body of the shell is shaped too small because of that. Both "schwere Betongranate" shells have good outer shape, though the pointed end looks slightly too pointed. They have more details around the bottom than the one in Dragon's kits. However, the characteristic mold on the bottom surface of the real "schwere Betongranate" shell is omitted. Considering the price of these packages, would it be too much to ask to provide a small PE ferret to reproduce such mold? |
35774 Betongranate Karl
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35773 Sprengranate Loki |
35773 Sprengranate Loki This is a 54cm shell. The title of this package 35773 says that it is for "Loki". This is, of course, not totally accurate description for this shell. ARMO probably decided to use the name "Loki" in order to make it more apparent that this product is for Dragon's 54 cm gun kit "Loki" (6181). The shape of the shell closely matches that of the shell in Dragon's 54 cm gun kit, and that leaves the question whether its length and profile is totally accurate. |
| Product | 60cm schwere Betongranate | 60cm leichte Betongranate | Metal 60cm schwere Betongranate | Metal 60cm leichte Betongranate |
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00209 Moeser Karl-Geraet 040/041
on railway transport carrier 00208 Moeser Karl-Geraet 040/041 (Initial Version) on railway transport carrier | 1 shell | 1 shell | NA | NA |
| 00215 Moeser Karl-Geraet 040/041 | 1 shell | 1 shell | 1 shell | 1 shell |
| 00362 German Panzerkampfwagen IV D/E Fahrgestell | 4 shells | 4 shells | 1 shell | 1 shell |
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The schwere Betongranate shell is shown in the above photos. The light-cream colored shell is from the Karl kits, and the grey one in the right-most photo is from the Munitionpanzer IV kit. It consists of 3 parts, and is looking good. The bottom pattern is correctly molded and the room for charge is reproduced.
However, molding is rarther weak and narrow. The parts also need some filling and sanding after assembly. 8 holes around the bottom of the shell need reshaping; I filled them and drilled again.
Interestingly, the shell in the Munitionpanzer IV kit is molded slightly differently from those in the Karl kits; its tip is more rounded, and looks more similar to the real shell.
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This is the leichte Betongranate shell. Again the light-cream colored shell is from the Karl kits, and the grey one is from the Munitionpanzer IV kit. There is no details on the bottom surface except rim around the edge. No cartrige is provided in the kit.
This shell in the Munitionpanzer IV kit is improved over the one in the Karl kit too.
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The photos show bonus metal shells in the
Karl kit without railway transport and the
Munitionpanzer IV kit.
Their shapes match those of injection plastic shells in the
Munitionpanzer IV kit.
This metal schwere Betongranate doesn't have characteristic pattern on the bottom and holes on its side. PE parts are provided in the kit to reproduce these features. Howerver, the PE bottom plate doesn't look quite good; its pattern doesn't match the mold of the injection plastic part! You had better scratch-build the bottom plate out of a thin sheet of plastic card, or use a part from third-party PE sets. Following PE sets have this bottom plate. As the bottom plate in the Lion Roar set is not very accurate, either the Eduard set or the Part set is a choice. Note that this Eduard set (35568) is intended for the Dragon Karl kit, and that Eduard's PE set for Trumpeter kit does NOT have a shell bottom plate. You don't need a PE bottom plate for leichte Betongranate. |
Metal shells in 00362 German Panzerkampfwagen IV D/E Fahrgestell |
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2137 Ammo for 60cm Morser Karl(Dragon/Trumpeter) This resin product consists of two 60 cm "schwere Betongranate" shells, two 60 cm "leichte Betongranate" shells, two cartridges, one crates for the "leichte Betongranate" shells, and two crates for the cartridges. They are very well cast. Only little flush is present and no significant lines and bubbles are visible. Because the shells have casting blocks at the bottom, they naturally do not have any details on the bottom surface. This is a big minus for this set of shells, as the real "schwere Betongranate" has characteristic mold there. Small round holes and other details around the bottom of the "schwere Betongranate" are also omitted. Both types of shells seems to be shorter than the real shells by 1 to 2 mm. The cartridges in this set seem to be too long, as is the case with the "leichte Betongranate" set from New Connection Models. It looks like the one for 54 cm shells. |
2137 Ammo for 60cm Morser Karl (Dragon/Trumpeter) |
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